Ch.4 or 5 quote

“no such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters” page 164

Why did you pick the quote? I picked this quote because it shows that in America people who are poor are put down. People who are “better” than them are noticed more. It’s like people in the third world are not important to America.

What’s its significance in the novel? The significance of this quote in the book is to tell the people about how poor Americans are portrayed.

Where have you heard or read about similar ideas and topic? I have heard similar topics by an underground artist named Immortal Technique. He talks about the poor Americans and other stuff about America.

QUOTES

“America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor and poor Americas are urged to hate themselves.” Pg 164
This quote is directly the reason that humans go to war. This quote comes at a good time because Billy is trying to find a justification for war to explain to the Tralfamadorians. Billy shows that he doesn’t have a direct answer to why earthlings fight. This senseless violence will directly affect Billy’s life to come. Also, I think people in war don’t really ask themselves why they are fighting or what they are fighting for.

slaughterhouse five

"she upset Billy simply by being his mother. she made him feel embarrassed and ungrateful and weak because she had gone to so much trouble to give him life, to keep that life going, and Billy really did not like life at all" Chapter five page 130

1) I picked this quote because i found it so ironic that his mom put so much work into his living and stayig alive, but he hates life and yet he has the most exciting life ever. He went to war, time travels, and got captured by aliens how could you hate life with that?

2) He hates his life, this is significant because he learns more about life than most people ever will. the fact that he hates it just makes it more interesting.

3) the movie tombstone with the character johnny ringo. he wants revenge for being born.

grindcore sucks

"each of them had attempted to escape from another prison at least once," pg one-eighteen (118). i picked this one because i thought it sounded digruntling to the english men, because after trying to escape from a prison and being sent to another one they couldnt possibly be in a good mood. i think that the author put that in there becuase it adds detail to the englishmen. it reminded me of the great escape when the dudes tried tunneling out of the camp.

pg. 107, "The naked Americans took their places under many showerheads along a white-tiled wall. There were no faucets they could control. They could only wait for whatever was coming."

1. I chose this quote because the feeling of hopelessness and not being in control of what happens to you is one that I am familiar with. Not being able to speak up or paddling as hard as you can through an ocean yet you don't move an inch is a feeling that leaves you so empty and as if your have no purpose in life because what are we as humans if we can't practice our God given right of free speech and action?

2. A major theme of this book is what the scars of war can do to a person, and war takes away one's voice and ability to speak and think for one's self. This quote really depicts that at war the soldiers are no longer treated like human beings they are animals, or objects. They have no say or even an idea of what is going to happen to them, all they can do is wait.

3. This theme of not being in control of what happens to you is one that I connect to young children and infants. At this stage in their life everything is decided for them, they aren't able to walk, think, or speak for themselves which can sometimes hurt even more than just having your actions being dictated. When others see preschoolers being lead around town I see them being dragged and while they obviously aren't in a situation as horrible as war, it seems fairly similar, they aren't aware of where they are going yet they are forced to go and follow who ever leads them.

quote from ch. 4

pg. 97 "Why me?" Although this quote is so simple, it leaves one with so much to ponder about. Why this, why that? It's always why. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, trust me i ask this on a regular basis, but, as the Tralfamadorians then say, " That is a very Earthling question to ask, Mr. Pilgrim. Why you? Why us for that matter? Why anything? Because the moment simply is." It seems like the most of us can never just live in the moment without question. We are naturally curious and are always searching for an answer to explain. Obviously, i would wonder too why these aliens chose me...it's not like most ppl would just be like, oh, okay, just getting abducted by aliens, what's next? Oh gosh, now that I am starting to think about it more, i do want to know why they chose him....they say it's just because, but there must be some reason why!! Haha, that's just my human brain taking its natural course again...i wonder why though?

"Only on Earth is there any talk of free will"-Tralfamadorian p. 109
I picked this quote because it shows how the Tralfamadors don't believe in free will. It also represents some poeple's view on life, future, and destiny. If free will does not exist then we are all sworn into some untold destiny and nothing we can do will ever change it. This means that some how something chooses a fate for everybeing at birth and they will follow it by nature. I like to think that we do have a fate, but everything we do carves and determines what that fate is. If what the Tralfamadorian says is true then no matter what you do you will end up in the same . It also says that we do not get to choose anything and that all our decisions are made for you and that there is no such thing as a choice, and I think thats kinda bull shizz. I feel that every choice we make every move we take has a direct effect on our enviormnent and are futures.
This is significant in the novel because Billy also believes in this idea. This helps us understand Billy's thought process and how he makes decisions.
Other people don't believe in free will. People such as religious people, dictators, and some philosophers. Some religious beliefs are hat your god chooses a destiny for you and that is the destiny that you will follow, and that you don't have the free will to choose. Also some dictators believe that they should get to choose people's future. Even some philosophers believe that free will doesn't exisist. This thought is used everywhere.

Chapter 4 and 5 quote

"There are no telegrams on Tralfamadore.But you're right: each clump of symbols is a brief, urgent message-describing a situation, a scene.We Tralfamadorians read them all at once, not one after the other.There isn't any particular relationship between all the messages, except that the author has chosen them carefully,so that, when seen all at once, they produce an image of life that is beautiful, surprising, and deep.There is no beginning, no middle, no end, no suspense, no moral, no causes, no effects.What we love in our books are the depths of many marvelous moments, seen all at one time." pg.112
I chose this quote because I am intrigued by the Tralfamadorians way of life and thinking. I wonder what Vonnegut is trying to portray with this quote? Is he trying to remind people to see the bigger picture,and that many details almost lack importance? The signifigance of this quote in the novel, is it gives more insight into Billy Pilgrim's way of thinking. More than anything Pilgrim learns from the ways of the Tralfamadorians, their theory's influence his thinking. Ideas such as those talked about in the quote, are commonly seen in Science Fiction novels.

Soon Enough

pg. 95, "Billy saw the war movies backwards then forwards-and then it was time to go out into his yard to meet the flying saucer. Out he went, his blue and ivory feet crushing the wet salad of the lawn. He stopped, took a swig of the dead champagne. It was like 7-Up. He would not raise his eyes up to the sky, though he knew there was a flying saucer from Tralfamadore up there. He would see it soon enough, inside and out, and he would see, too, where it came from soon enough-soon enough."

1. This quote first appealed to me because of the description of the feet and the lawn. The imagery of that struck me. I literally had to stop reading, and read that line again. Vonnegut uses the blue and ivory description repeatedly, and I always just feel cold when reading it; I think of a slightly frozen dead body in some arctic tundra. However when used in this situation, in conjunction with the wet salad of the lawn, the foot becomes reanimated. The wet salad is just amazing. This sounds strange, but it made me feel squishy. And of course the dead champagne is a great indicator of the "end of a party", the nostalgic sadness that always seems to follow happy times.
But when I read on, much more than the imagery pulled me towards this section. He knows he is about to be abducted by aliens. He really has no choice. I think that feeling of just playing the part pervades this novel. Billy has been to points in his "future", and he has to piece together what happens in between his "current" state and the state he suddenly jumps to. But he can't do anything really. He is no longer living his life. There is no "in the moment". He just simply knows everything that's going to happen and just keeps going. Using the phrase "soon enough" indicates that he's in no rush, and he has no real concerns; he's not angry about what's going to happen. Sure he's not thrilled either. He's totally indifferent now, extremely nonchalant. He is no longer the driver of the car that is his life. Ah. That would be so horrible. Such an interesting and sort of scary exercise to try and imagine what you would do, if you couldn't actually do anything...

2. Um, the answer to my first question summed this up a bit. It's important because it is becoming clear that this is a pervasive theme of the novel. Once Billy becomes unstuck in time, he has no mystery and no control. He just plods along, somewhat sullenly.

3. I find this depressing idea everywhere. Especially in religion. The idea of "pre-destiny", you know basically, "God" has a plan for every single solitary person, and you just fit right in there and just live the way he apparently wants you to. You can't change much, maybe you can try and be good, but then God is also choosing that you try and change. He chooses everything. You have no free will. Of course that's why I prescribe to no real religion. I feel that humans can affect their surroundings and their future. We may be guided, but, we find just that, guidelines, not strict walls that we cannot pass. I honestly can't think of who would want to have no say in their life. Who would want to sort of just sit back and let everything pass before you? Bleh, religion is so pointless, it's supposed to give hope and faith, but when I look at what it teaches, it rapes life of any point, or objective, or reason. It basically makes me feel that really there is no reason to ever do anything, even to live. Why would you want that?

chapter 5 quote

pg.130
she upset Billy simply by being his mother .she made him feel embarrassed and ungrateful and weak because she had gone to so much troble to give him life,and to keep that life going,and Billy didnt really like life at all.
1. I picked this quote becouse it was depressing.
2.I think it is imporant becouse Billy doesnt like life.
3.I heard some thing about depression from a friend who hated life and that person took her own life.

Quote from chapters 4&5

On the 9th day, the hobo died. So it goes. His last words were, "You think this is bad? This ain't bad." pg. 100

1) I think this is a very solom quote and showed the severity of the war. It also showed that as was previously said that the hobo was just trying to make himself feel better by trying to make the situation that bad.
2) This quote showed how tragic the war the war really was and how delusional some of the soldiers were. Even in death the hobo believed that it really wasn't that bad and that he had been in worse situations. Maybe he had but he had lived though it.
3) In other war books or movies i've seen some of the same ideas. Such as if the charicters are in a really dier situation they will try to lighten the mood even if there is very little hope. I think thats what the hobo was trying to do.

Chapters 4 and 5

"Under morphine, Billy had a dream of giraffes in a garden. The giraffes were following gravel paths, were pausing to munch sugar pears from treetops. Billy was a giraffe too. He ate a pear.... The giraffes accepted Billy as one og thier own, as harmless creature as preposterously specialized as themselves. Two approached him from the side, and leaned against him. They had long muscular upper lips which they could shape like the bells of bugles. They kissed him with these. They were femaile giraffes-cream and lemon yellow. They had horns like doorknobs. The knobs were convered with velvet." page 126

one of the resons i love this quote is that its really descriptive. You can see Billy as a giraffe on a path with the pear trees surrounding him every where; and the other giraffes kissing him. I really think taht Kurt Vonnegut did a great job of describing how amazing the morhpine trip was for him, and when he woke up from his tip, he was in the veterans hospital with the blanket over his head.
I have heard people that have been heavily dosed on pain killers, and they say it feels like you are in another world, and thats exactly what happened to Billy Pilgram

"Billy traveled in time back to the veterans' hospital again. The blanket was over his head. It was quiet outside the blanket. 'Is my mother gone?' said Billy." -p. 136

1. I chose this quote because it clearly shows he doesn't like his mother. I can relate to him, pretending to be sleeping to hide from his mother. It's a great connection.

2. This quote makes the reader think how Billy doesn't like his mother nor his family. It makes Billy appear as someone who just doesn't care about life in general.

3. I've heard this in many real life and fictional works of people not loving their mother. It makes me think of times when I get into hiding from my mother.

That was I.

"That was I. That was me. That was the author of this book." -pg. 160

I choose this quote for two reasons. One, it shows just how close the author really is to the story, saying that he was in the prison camp. This backs up everything he says as far as conditions in the camp, because, with his experience, he would really know what had happened and how. Another reason I liked this quote was because it shows that the Author is in fact emotionally connected to his book. The significance this quote has in the novel is that the story, as far as the war parts, is about Kurt Vonnegut, not Billy Pilgrim. Other places I have seen an author put their own experiences into a fiction novel, is in my writing, where i get ideas from my life, and alter them slightly to work for my character. This gives me a special connection with not only the situation, but my characters, who are actually parts of me.

Quote from ch 4 and 5

"Only on Earth is there any talk of free will" - page 109
1. It made me think about how cool it is to have free will.
2. This quote means that on Tralfamadore, because they can see in the 4th dimension, they don't have any choice in what they do. Everything is planed out for them and they can't change anything about thier entire lives.
3. Some religions believe that since god created humans, he has the future planned out and how we are all going to die, and we have no choice in how it ends

Quote 11/7/08 go obama!

"Welcome aboard, Mr. Pilgrim," said the loudspeaker. "Any questions?"
Billy licked his lips, thought for a while, inquired at last: "Why me?"
"That is a very earthling question of you to ask, Mr. Pilgrim. Why you? Why us for that matter Why anything? Because the moment simply is. Have you ever seen bugs trapped in amber?" Pg. 97
This quote rather confuses me. I think that if they were telepathic, then they could read his mind. Not only that though, if you see all time simultaneously, then there would be no reason to ask questions because they know everything about where he is going has gone and so forth. I suppose that Billy could be curious and they sense this, but what would you ask if you were kidnapped by aliens, something along the lines of "how many miles to the gallon does this bad-boy get?" I honestly just think that the aliens inquiring for a question in the first place was contradictory.
Ive seen this nonsense before in movies that were not thought out, which saddens me because i know Mr. Vonnegut worked his ass off making this book. At first you don't succeed, try try again Vonnegut.

" So Billy uncorked it with his thumbs. It didn't make a pop. The champagne was dead. So it goes."
Page #93

1) I picked this quote because I thought it was interesting that Vonnegut used "So it goes." in this situation. In all the previous pages before this quote "So it goes." was always said after someone or something had died, this follows that pattern but it seems almost strange that he would use it to describe the champagne going flat. Its like he feels the same, "oh well, life goes on" kind of attitude towards the death of a man or a beloved dog, that he feels towards the "death" of some champagne.

2) I think it's significance in the novel is that it sets a kind of tone about death. As it was said in the novel that everyone is already dead and everyone is being born, so the fact that he can feel so emotionless is kind of backing up that idea.

3) I've watched lots of movies that talk about quantum physics and other dimensions, that's the closest thing to this novel that i can think of.

"Billy was displayed there in the zoo in a simulated earthing habitat" pg. 143
I pick this quote because it sows how it feels to be liked up in a zoo.
The sighnificants of this quote is that it shows that people don't think it is mean to put animals in a cage with people peering in and when the thought of people in a zoo in disgusting.
I hear this from all kind of people that are for animal rights.

Quote from chapter four

On page 97 of chapter 4, after billy was boarded to the saucer.
"Welcome aboard, Mr. Pilgrim," said the loudspeaker. "Any questions?"
Billy licked his lips, thought a while, inquired at last: "Why me?"
"That is a very Earthling question to ask, Mr. Pilgrim. Why you? Why us for that matter? Why anything? Because this moment simply is. Have you ever seen bugs trapped in amber?"
"Yes." Billy, in fact, had a paperweight in his office which was a blob of polished amber with three ladybugs embedded in it.
"Well, here we are, Mr. Pilgrim, trapped in the amber of this moment. There is no why."


This is significant because now Billy can't say anything as to how and why he was captured, it just is. It is the simplest answer to a huge dilemma.

chap 4 quote

"The coat that Billy Pilgrim got had been crumpled and frozen in such a way, and was so small, that it appeared to be not a coat but a sort of large black, three cornered hat." pg. 103

1. I picked this quote, because i thought it was interesting how the Germans treated him and that he didn't really mind or stand up for himself.

2. This jacket was a civilian jacket. It is significant, because it represents how they view Billy as a mentally ill and psycho person. On the contrary, Billy doesn't really mind he just takes things as they are. He thought that life was just supposed to be miserable and thats it, it is what it is. He doesn't even really realize how crazy he actually is.

3. You can link this to a real-life situation in which someone who was mentally ill or just insane would where this kind of jacket.

Page 110 "Billy Pilgrim says that the universe does no look like a lot of bright little dots to the creatures from Tralfamadore. The creatures can see where each star has been and where it is going, so that the heavens are filled with rarefiled, luminoous spagetti. And tralfimadorians don't see humas as two-legged creatures, either. They see them as great millipedes-"with babies legs at one end and old people's legs at the other," says Billy Pilgrim."
1. I chose this quote because it really shows the tralfimadorian's ability to see time and understand the fourth dimension.
2. This quote is important in the novel because the tralfamadorian's ability to see time is essential in the novel and it is the whole reason why Billy is unstuck.
3. I have not heard or read of any thing like this outside of this novel.

Slaughterhouse V- Chapter 4 + 5

"Why me?"
"That is a very earthling question to ask, Mr. Pilgrim. Why you? Why us for that matter? Why anything? Because the moment simply is." pg. 97

I chose this quote because I believe it sums up not only the chapter, but the book as well. It shows the overall theme of Science Fiction in reality, while still showing the lax attitude of Billy Pilgrim.

The significance of this quote in the book is that the Tralfamadorians have an expnded mind, and this is what Vonnegut shows Billy as. Billy is an expanded mind, and seems to understand the world more then people. This quote backs that up, and shows where this attitude comes from.

The ideas in this book remind me of the book The Martian Chronicles. In TMC the author focuses on how the aliens know more then the humans, and respect the universe more. The same theme is applied in Slaughterhouse V because the Tralfamadorians seem to have higher intellectual power than the earthlings.

Quote Blog Chapter 4 and 5

...'I said to myself 'It's the Children's Crusade' " pg. 135

1) I picked this quote becuase it's different. It exlpains war in a whole new way, it says "...We had forgotten that wars were fought by babies. When i saw thoes freshly shaved faces, it was a shock..." He says that because all the men are young and immature about killing people for the fun of it.

2) The significance if this quote is that the men in this war are 18, and they are going to fight for our country. They are also dieing for our country at a very young age.

3) I have heard and read about similar topics in news papers or the news sayiing that most of the men and mwoman in war are very young and are only going into war for our country.

chapter 4 and 5

pg. 113
"A frenchman who had come all the way from France asked the ranger in broken English if many people committed scuicide by jumping in. 'Yes , sir, ' said the rnager. 'About three folks a year.' So it goes." I chose this quote because it is once again the phrase so it goes which is pretty much the theme throughout the novel so far. It shows how Billy feels about every bad thing that has happened to him so far. People die by jumping into the Grand Canyon......so it goes. I have never read a book that is so blunt about people dieing like Kurt Vonnegut is.

" Goodness me, the clock has struck Alackday, and f*ck my lick." P(125) PG 3
I chose this quote because what it means, that the clock has struck for that surtten person and they don't want to admit it. for this person it sounds like it was his time to go to war and he is not ready to do so.

Slaugherhouse Five chapters 4 and 5

"If I hadn't spent so much time studying Earthling," said the Tralfamadorian, "I wouldn't have any idea what was meant by 'free will.' I've visited thirty-one inhabited planets in the universe, and I have studied reports on one hundred more. Only on Earth is there any talk of free will."

(1) I picked this quote because it talks about the Tralfamadorian's interest in Earth and how it expresses " Free Will".
(2) The Tralfamadorians abducted Billy and took them to their planet. They were interested in Billy because he was a being of Earth and the Tralfamadorians were very enthralled by Earth's support of free will.
(3) In the Martian Chronicles, the martians, or more so the humans, are very interested in how the martians live their life and try to abduct them to study them.

Chpt. 4 & 5. Quote

"Billy was guided by dread and the lack of dread." - Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse V, Pg. 92.

I picked this quote because it seems to fit in with everything that billy does, it gives him motivation, or lack thereof. This is significant throughout the enitre book because it explains Billys actions for everything he does, every move, every word he speaks, its all motivated by this explanation given through this quote. I have heard this quote in many books, due to the fact that this idea is widely used in literature to give readers insight into the characters motivation throughout the entire story.

Chapter 4 and 5

"Earthlings must be the terrors of the Universe! If other planets aren't now in danger frome Earth they soon will be. So tell me the secret to so I may take it back to Earth and save us all: How can a planet live at peace?"pg 148.
1) I picked this quote because I think that that question is on a lot of peoples minds and that some of us ask this question every day thinking that there is a solution to it. But this explains how there is no solutions there is no solution to world wars and not living in peace it will always be there, because it has already happened.
2) I think its signifigance is just the fact that there is not solution to things, you just have to live by them because they have already happened. But if the solution has already happened then it will fix itself. The Tralfamadorians are just trying to explain to Billy that you cant change some thing that has alredy happened.
3)Similar ideas i think is the same way that the Tralfamadorians explain how there is no such thing as free will in Tralfamadore and there is nothing you can do to chagne it.

The effects of war.

Matt Lack 10/24/08 War has an adverse and negative impact on young soldiers, whether it be physical effects, or the question of their mental stability and well-being. The fact that most soldiers don’t expect to feel (in all senses of the word ‘feel’) the experience of death and pain. They might play a video game, with similar experiences, but to unwillingly allow yourself to experience others being ripped to shreds around you, including friends, can be, metaphorically speaking, a bomb in its own right in your head. Destroying all logic as you know it, knowing that people, who’ve put such an effort into life, can be instantly removed from your mind. Attempt to contemplate your best friend disappearing right now, knowing you’ll never seem them again. Now multiply that with seeing them being shot, and the pain in their eyes before they die. You can see that not many people, soldier or not, could handle that. That is the most influential factor in a soldier’s mental health, death. When a soldier comes home after experiencing such horrible events, he may experience depression, or insanity, that will never allow him to function normally in a regular society. As for the physical effects, being shot, pressing yourself too hard in combat and other activities implemented in war are the causes of the physical effects a soldier may experience. Imagine being shot in the shoulder, disabling the muscles, and being unable to use them to their full extent ever again. There are countless ways to be harmed in combat, but not killed. Because of this, people who return home with such wounds may experience mental effects as well, and may not be able to continue in the profession they desired to before leaving for a war. This makes them unable to participate in a normal society as a working person, and they may not get the funding they need to stay roofed. This alone can drive a soldier insane as well. War is not for the faint of heart, and even then, the effects can and will be irreversible on a person’s life, whether mentally, or physically. “The only good general is one who can defeat his enemy without ever having to dispatch a soldier.”

Ch 3

Chapter 3 starts off with Billy getting the shit kicked out of him by Roland Weary. Right before Weary hits Billy and would do some serious damage to him, German soldiers walk up on them. The German soldiers take Weary and Billy accross an entire forest. Billy and Weary both have bad clothing and footwear for this and end up with very, very bad blisters and cuts on their feet. During this walk is when Billy gets unstuck in time. He travels forward to 1967 when he is at his doctors office, but only for a short time. He quickly zooped back to the war and was walking in the forest. They made it to a large train holding many empty carts behind it. He was separated from Weary and was put in a cart with a hobo and many other soliers of his rank. Billy and the others were only giving bread and water, and had to throw their poop and stuff out the ventalation shafts. End of chapter 3....?

Chapter 3

My favorite part of Chapter 3 was when Billy was describing the photographer. There was a picture published of Billy and Roland Weary's tired feet, and a story was written with it describing how the American Army did not equip their soldiers well enough even though they claimed to be rich. The photographer wanted more than that, so t hey staged a capture, where they threw Billy into a bush, and pretended to push him around with their guns, and the photographer took a picture. The picture (or Billy thought) was the his Mona Lisa, because he was miserable on his feet in 1944 and he was riding in his Cadilac in 1967.

Ch. 3

Chapter 3 was a eye opening chapter. It was about billy trip to the POW's camp in the trains. The conditions were harsh an disgusting. Every body had to poop in the same helmet and billy had to dump it out. During his ride on the train he kept on flashing back to his life after that in 1967. on his flash backs we discover that he goes into his house and cries secretly, but frequently. Ch. 3 was a chapter that described one of the cruelties he had to bear in WW2 and how it effected him afterward in his continued life

CH. 3 response

My favorite part of chapter 3 was where he describes the German shepherd named "Princess".  I'm still amazed at how little emotion is put into these really intense situations. The writing is lighthearted even though people are being tortured, are in pain and dying.  So it goes.....  I was confused about the symbolism of the gold corporal's boots and Adam and Eve.  The jumping through time was also a bit confusing at first, but now I understand it more, but I still don't get is the jumping all mental or is he ACTUALLY moving around in time.  Either way its weird and crazy but the book is pretty good so far.

Chapter 3

Chapter 3 starts out with Billy Pilgrim and Robert Weary being captured by a group of Germans. The Germans take Weary's boots and replace them with less comfortable and not nearly as warm clogs. They are then force marched to Germany, Weary complaining constantly about his cold feet and Billy rocking from side to side due to his missing heal. When they reach Germany they are loaded onto cars, where the real hell begins. They are packed into a cattle car and have to take turns lying and standing. They have no food and only a single canteen to share between all the men. They use a helmet as a toilet and it is Billy's job being next to the vent to empty it. The only comfort Billy can find is in his time travel. Throughout the chapter he goes back and forth between his torturous captivity and his life in 1967. He realizes that he can not change his future or his past for that matter, but he can escape to them in his times terror.

Chapter 3

Ok, i just wanted to start by saying HAHAHHAHA MR. JONES I GOT HERE WITH A YAHOO MAIL ACCOUNT NOT A GMAIL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I WAS RIGHT HAHAHHA. Ok now that I got that out of the way. In chapter 3 i didnt really understand why he was crying every night and all the time. I guess cause of the horribal experiences like World War II and being "ubducted". But it deffenitly was not specific about what the lagit reason was so, that was some thing that kind of bothered me. I liked the part in the chapter when he was describing that there were so many people in trains comming the the Camp they were in but there was not enought space or food for the people who were there originally and yet there were more and more people still comming on trains. His experiance in the train deffenitly relates to all the other stories I have read about the people on trains during World War II

ch.3

In chapter 3 the majority of the time is spent captured in Germany in cattle cars. It talks about what it is like in the cattle cars. How the people take terns standing and laying how they use a helmet as a toilet they pass i around then the one by the vent dumps it out, Billy was that person in his car. Then how they would pass around a canteen that the guards would fill up and all the people would shear. Chapter 3 was a purity eye opening chapter.

Chapter Three

Chapter 3 begins with the Germans capturing Billy Pilgrim and Robert Weary. The Germans took Weary's shoes and replaced them with clogs. Also, one of Billy's shoes are broken, having only one heel, making walking very uncomfortable. As prisoners, they are taken to Germany and loaded up on trains. Then, he starts becoming unstuck in time. He jumps between WWII and his life as an optometrist in 1967. He discovers how to change time, but can never change his fate. So he goes back to the past and gets loaded into the trains. Then it switches time to when he is captured by the Tralfamadorians.

Slaughter House-Five Chapter 3

Chapter 3 had very interesting stories about the war told by Billy.  Billy jumps from World War 11 to his life in 1967 throughout the whole chapter.  One of my favorite parts of this chapter was when "Wild Bob" was talking to Billy, and how he was trying to put humor into the men when there wasn't any humor necessary at that time of the story.  Also the part where Billy was surviving a prisoner sounded like it sucked, with his frozen fright and other worse conditions, ugh nasty!  

Chapter 3

chapter three was mainly about Billy's time jumps. Billy had jumped from being captive in World War II to his life 1967. I thought the hole idea of jumping through time was cool. One of billy's friends in the chapter was weary. But all he did was complain about his fet and how he felt sorry for himself. One of the characters that i liked most was " Wild Bob", bob was trying to find all the people in his regement, this gave the men some hope were there wasn't a lot of. Well thats what i remebered from chapter 3 and so far i think this book is very good.

chapter 3

Chapter 3 was mainly about Billy's time jumps while being a captor of the Germans. His main jump focuses on his visits to the lions club and his drive home. The part that struck me most during the time warp is his relation of the black ghetto after the riots to the fire bombing of Dresden. This was the first real blatant relation of the authors life and the life of Billy Pritchet.
Towards the end of the chapter Billy meets Wild Bill in the a train yard in Germany ware the prisoners where being held. Wild Bill told Billy to look him up if he was ever in Cody, Wyoming. The prisoners of war are then put on trains organized by rank. He is on the train for two days in harsh conditions before it begins to move. Billy than travels back to the night he is captured by the Tralfamadorians.

Slaughter House 5

The book itself seems somewhat confusing and misleading like Annacha said. This doesn’t take away from the value, and “likeability” of the literature. Chapter 3 was a collection of different time warps, but it mainly focused on the entrapment that Billy had to face. The imprisonment takes place in Germany. The prisoners trek through miles of excruciatingly cold walking. When Billy jumps again to a different period, it symbolizes the freedom from pain

Chapter 3

Chapter 3 begins with German soldiers finding, and taking hostage, both Billy Pilgrim and Robert Weary. Showing the true hardship of war, Weary's shoes are taken and replaced with "clogs", Pilgrim's shoes have only one heel and he is constantly teetering from one foot to the next. Crossing Luxembourg, in order to get to Germany, the days are long, and cold, causing both mental and physical stress. Upon reaching Germany, all captives are loaded into trains. Meanwhile Billy is often becoming "unstuck" in time, mainly back to his life in 1967. Billy owns his own Optometry practice, and is surprised by the wealth he has gained. Billy's life in 1967 is one of loneliness, he realizes that though he can travel through time, he can't change his own outcome. Back to the past.... Upon entering the train, Billy chooses a spot near a ventilator (a decision he will soon regret). Though Billy feels this is a desperate situation, the Hobo nearest him constantly reminds, "this ain't nothing at all."

Though I feel the constant flashes into the future can be unnecessary, each shows a valuable story and lesson. I think Vonnegut's characters are interesting and complex, and I look forward to reading more. =)

Chapeter 3 Reading Response

I think the story was kind of confusing becuase it goes back and forth from when he was in the war to his doctor's office in 1967. I couldn't really tell if he was talking about the war or not. When they took his shoes and made him wear clogs in the prisoner camp, it made me feel angry that the German's were that mean.

the book

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Slaughter-House-Five

Chapter three in Slaughter-House-Five was interesting when it came to the war stories. Billy jumps from being captive in World War II to his life 1967 through out the chapter. My favorite part was when "Wild Bob" was talking to Billy. I liked how he was still trying to find all the people in his infantry regiment, and give all the men in it a sense of hope in a time where there wasn't much. Only one of his men was near by, Ronald Weary, who was complaining about his feet and feeling sorry for himself, but I do believe hearing his words may have helped other men who had never met "Wild Bob." "Wild Bob" gave them something to look forward to: a regimental reunion in his home in Cody, Wyoming. Thinking that they were going to make it out of the German's grip and get back home to attend that event was a small glimmer of hope to the soldiers. Though "Wild Bill" soon died after his small speech, I think he may have saved a number of others who heard his words.

Ch. 3

I don't know....this book is very...interesting...the parts where he was serving as a prisoner of war just sounded awful...ugh, the frozen feet and the horrible conditions in the stationary train just sounded miserable (i know you're thinking like duh charlotte, he's a prisoner of war, but still...you get what I'm saying...). Also, it is kinda funny to me that he's an optomotrist...it's one of those jobs that isn't very popular and common, but then if you think about it, it's not that random either...Oh, the part where he flashes to 1967 in his cadillac and then it continues to the part of how he was super rich, was sort of unexpected. There are just so many diverse parts of this man's life that it could be represented by at least 5 differen't men's lives....this man went through a lot of different situations. I guess it's kinda cool that he got to live so many lives in his one life, but the fact that he keeps changing from one to another would be so overwhelming...now i have sympathy for him....it would suck being under that kind of stress or "stage fright" 24/7. Anyways, thats what ch. 3 made me think about...actually that's pretty much what this whole book (minus ch. 1) has made me think about so far...i like this book.

Chapter 3

The concept of Chapter three is one that I can relate to and understand completely. Billy is amidst being a prisoner during World War Two and keeps completly disconnecting himself from the current situation and fastforwards to certian periods that are still to come in his lifetime. When one feels so hopeless and somewhat in a state of disbelief zoning out and leaving the situation is really the best solution. It allows to to make the best of a situation, while it won't make it easier it can make time pass much fatser and enable you to calm down. Chapter Three really appealed to me because it really stated a large truth about the nature of human beings and what they will do to cope with tough situations.

Chapter 3

This section of the book reminded me of the novel A LONG WALK; it's about a Polish POW who travels to Siberia to work in a labor camp. In the beggining they travel in a train and the conditions are almost identical. It's very shocking to learn about the dehuminization of Prisoners of War; of course it happens on both sides, The United States is generally more quiet and secretive about their atrocieties. This book has an underlying theme that war is just plain horrible. When Vonnegut uses the phrase "so it goes", it is always following some paradox that ends horribly. Some horrendous odity that is just life, it's just a part of it. Most people choose to ignore these things because they are just so bitter and morbid and depressing. The unsticking sections of the book are interesting and still an enigma to me, I don't quite understand their significance, but they do add to the overall feel of the novel. I like this book, but it is mind bending. An intruiging mind bending.

Why do the Germans sort out the prisoners?
What is the significance of talking about billy's home in the future?

A responce to Chapter 3.

After reading chapter three, a few things cross my mind...
The entire chapter brought a sense of dread, and a confusion that wasn't so confusing.
The way the time travel was set in made the entire scene feel confusing, while you still know whats going on at the same time. It let you know what was going on in both time periods, but at the same time, being unnaware of the actual reality. This left you asking which one was reality, and wich one was just a simple dream. The detail use in Billy Pilgrims catpure is amazing, giving details that you yourself don't WANT to know, let alone the senses you would feel, from the descriptions used in the train car. The descriptions of the optomotry officer were vivid, and allowed a little releive from all the action in germany. I enjoyed that he did this, and it allows the reader to sense the feeling of being overwhelmed, with these calm moments defining this.
This chapter was extremely detailed, and vivid, and I enjoyed reading it, as gruesome as it was.

Chapter 3

I think we can all agree that chapter3 was depressing at best. Billy, starving and loosing desire to live, is captured by Nazis while wandering through the forest with Weary. From there, they are marched first to an outpost, and then to a train station. They are forced onto the trains, where billy takes up a spot near the ventilator; a choice he will later regret. For days and days the train travels, no food is distributed and people begin to die, including a hobo that got mixed in with prisoners of war on accident. The whole time Billy is going through a psychofreakout. He is unstuck in time and traveling freely; one minute he is in his late 70's, another he is in Luxemborg, and all the while going crazy.

Chapter 3 Revierw

Hey, so I have a couple of questions for chapter 3. Okay.
1. Is Billy a doctor before or after World War 2?
2. They are teh ones who get captured and not the ones wo are the ones capturing right?
3. Who is the person with the golden boots that have Adam and Eve inside? Isn't it the enemie, why are they talking and stuff. Hmm. Oh yeah.
4. Why/ where are they walking?

Reeader response Ch. 3

"There was so much to see- dragon's teeth, killing machines, corpses with bare feet that were blue and ivory. So it goes." Vonnegut uses this saying, so it goes, for every death or bad thing that happens throughout the book. At first I got annoyed with how blunt he was about people dying or being tortured. I felt that only a cold hearted person could act like they didnt give a sh*t about innocent soldiers or people dieing. Then it came to me, the reason why Vonnegut did not get into detail about the horrid things his main character sees throughout the book, he was the main character, he was the one who saw the many people get shot. Kurt Vonnegut had no interest in re-living these life changing events so he simply said so it goes.

chapter 3 reader response.

I think it's sad that Billy has to take himself back in time to actually be content with his life. He has to live through past memories to make it through each day. On the other hand i understand why he has to do that, because he is going through a really hard time in the present. For example, he is being trapped on a train in a boxcar where he barely has food and water or a place to go to the bathroom. I also don't like how he refers to death as "so it goes". It's depressing that he has experienced so much pain in his life that he doesn't even have the heart to care about if someone died or not. An example of this phrase is when his dog Spot died. He was close with his dog, it was his companion, yet he didn't care. He has completely lost his soul, through the horrid experiences in being a prisoner of war. He uses time travel as an outlet to forget about death and pain.

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